Dylan Gower: Tangled Ep. 10

In this episode of Tangled, I talk to Dylan Gower. Dylan is an architect by trade, but in this interview, we discuss a community energy project that he leads. The organisation is based in Cowra, a town in central New South Wales, a few hours drive west from Sydney. The group is called CLEAN, which stands for Cowra Local Energy Action Network.

The longterm aim for CLEAN is to develop a decentralised energy network for their local community, by digesting organic matter from agricultural, industrial and residential sources to produce biogas. This gas can then be used to generate electricity and thermal energy. And then by-products from the biogas production can be used by farms, factories and other businesses.

This project interests me because Dylan and his collaborators are trying to look holistically at the way humans use resources. It’s a commonsense approach that we need if we want to design systems that can work for the long term, without relying on fossil fuels. There are good reasons why we have used fossil fuels for the past couple of hundred years. They’ve been cheap to mine. They’re extremely energy dense. And you can store and transport them easily. But if we want to have any chance of weaning ourselves off these sources of energy, we need to design elegant systems that effectively make use of locally available resources. This is what Dylan is trying to do with CLEAN Cowra.

In theory, once the system is set up in Cowra, it could provide the community not only with renewable energy, but also a way to filter water, increase soil fertility, reduce reliance on government subsidies, innoculate them from geopolitical shifts with regard to trade and energy policies, regenerate local ecosystems, provide ongoing employment and entrepreneurial opportunities, and show other communities how they can implement similar systems. Dylan didn’t pay me to say this, but I honestly struggle to think of any downsides to pursuing the project.

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Show Notes

02:50 Dylan introduces CLEAN Cowra, describing the group’s aims and how it originated

03:50 Dylan’s background as an architect interested in ecological sustainable development and renewable energy

04:30 Looking at how bio-energy is relevant to regional communities

05:36 NSW Office of Environment and Heritage, Sustainability Advantage program

05:50 Doing a resource audit to map the region’s known available relevant resources: agricultural, industrial, horticultural, animal husbandry, municipal waste

07:20 Some challenges Dylan has faced, eg getting traction with community members and potential stakeholders

08:20 Using principles and language of design thinking: iterating over time

09:04 Starting with a broad, overarching project, and then realising it was necessary to hone in and focus on specific aspects in isolation

09:36 How to distribute energy locally?

10:45 Microgrids allow distribution of electricity, but then how to distribute thermal energy? And CO2. And other by-products from the initial processes.

11:10 Discussing the distribution of thermal energy

12:00 Many greenhouses burn LPG just to produce CO2 for the plants

12:20 CLEAN proposes to co-locate greenhouses near the bio-energy plant, which would be mutually beneficial

12:56 Using the analogy of a cow’s stomach to explain the biogas production process

14:30 Taking inspiration from the field of industrial ecology 

14:55 Taking a holistic focus that includes the community, rather than only looking at the commercial aspects

16:45 A perpetual fund that channels revenue from the CLEAN projects into other projects as decided by the community 

18:45 Fusing ideas behind sustainability with commercial interests

21:35 The challenge of convincing people that the project is worth doing 

23:30 The actual process of biodigestion. What are the different options?

25:49 Talking with other communities who have shown interest in developing similar projects

27:10 The importance of simplifying the message – distilling the complexity

29:00 The benefits of co-digestion, as opposed to single-substrate digestion

29:40 Describing a trial CLEAN did two years ago

30:05 Bio-energy plant in Jandakot, WA. (An article about this plant is here)
30:18 Earthpower, a biodigestion company in Sydney

30:55 Flexibility of the microgrid to incorporate other power generation technologies, eg solar

34:00 Until you have a complete working model, it’s hard for people to grasp what it actually is